If Klingon planet has crystal to see the future and priests that know how to use it, this lead to different questions:
I think that they are some kind of keepers, having removed themselves from any kind of politics and who are only forced to act if the proper flow of time is in danger. That means that we can never be sure that they have used the crystals because happened that should have never happened in the first place. But we can be sure that only a very few know of the true purpose of the monastery on Boreth and that the monks do have their ways in dealing with those who want to misuse the time crystals for their own goals. Are they pro federation? I don’t think so. They were forced to act because those events would have led into a catastrophy for the whole galaxy.
We do have fairly clear, recent examples of leaders not listening to people who have specialized knowledge.
“But K’mpec, if you listen to these monks about discommendation for the House of Mogh, you’ll look weak, and alienate the Durass family and its allies. Is that the kind of legacy you want to leave behind?”
BC
Season over, I’m impressed, but not a fan of the time-travel elements ep 10 nor the Ep 8 suddenly an adult resolution of the daughter thread..
I’m quite unhappy with them killing Hemmer.
Im usually not a fan of time travel in Trek to begin with but I really liked the episode turned that into a what would Pike do differently than Kirk episode and it really worked for me. The killing of Hemmer did suck, but it gave the episode more weight than killing the newly minted LT Bossy and the cadet. Other than that I loved the rest of the season.
I really liked the sets in this season and was also glad to not see the turbolift shenanigans of Disco. Of the characters I was most impressed with Nurse Chapel and Spock. Ethan Peck is a Treasure! M’Benga is very interesting and I hope they give him more in S2, honestly the Daughter sub-plot was a little limiting. I really didn’t have a gripe with any of the characters. Oh and can I say how cool the reimagined Galileo was!
Atrial natriuretic peptide?
Adult Nurse Practitioner, a role that doesn’t break anything canonically as it was barely even a thing in 1966, and wouldn’t be fully recognized by the American Council of Nurses until 1974.
Now that the show has finished here, I have to say, I loved it almost without reservation. The plots have been fun, the characters likable and I’ve found it to be a close match in spirit to TOS - and that’s all I really want. I especially liked the last episode and the chance to compare PIke an a certain other captain.
There are a few niggles, but there’s no such thing as a perfect show, even in Star Trek. About the only real issue for me has been the portrayal of the Gorn - they did them almost as dirty as Discovery did the Klingons!
It’s also been interesting comparing it to the latest series of The Orville, which has been running almost in parallel. Overall, I think The Orville was slightly better, but only because they’ve had more time to establish their characters - the laxness in writing allowed by the extended runtime was very much a strike against them.
I’ve also had a chance to watch Prodigy - very much recommended, despite being a kids series. @aramis you mentioned the miracle working engineers in Prodigy - I’d have to say that was the Brikar! Although she might be disqualified as not being cranky…
ANP = Advanced Nurse Practitioner. Usually indicates a MSN and endorsement in some specialty. I’ve seen ANP on all the board certified specialist NPs business cards I’ve seen.
FNP = Family Nurse Practitioner.
I’ll note that ANP seems to be being replaced with “Advanced Practice Registered Nurse” in east coast nursing programs… but it’s the same thing.
As for the show being over for the season…
Retcons
Chapel: personality and skillset different than TOS
Uhura - being shown to be far more well rounded skillset than TOS
Spock & T’pring - That bonding was not done in childhood as Spock explains in Amok TIme.
Spock himself - Less openly emotional than we see in The Cage
Uniforms (to be expected)
Some unexpected visuals…
A single nacelle starship
The USS Farragut
New look for the Gorn
Sybok
I found it a great watch, but it reinforces my belief that the Prime is not the TOS universe. Chuck the continuity concerns out the airlock, and enjoy. If you can’t chuck that continuity concern, it’s going to bug you… I like it a lot. It’s now my favorite Trek series, unless you count…
The Orville. In which case, it becomes my second most favored Trek, as I preferred Orville over it.
Honestly its based on Discovery, so I already throw canon timeline out the window.
That said its been fun and I am enjoying it.
I will say that I do hope he changes the timeline, cause that would be cool if he doesn’t go all melted.
And that’S completely wrong. All trek series are part of the same universe and the same timeline. Only JJ-Trek takes palce in adifferent timeline.
By ignoring DIS or because you use it but consider DIC not part of the canon timeline?
Can we PLEASE stop arguing about what’s real in a non-real universe? Thank you.
Tell that those who always write that “the Prime is not the TOS timeline” or something similiar that makes clear that they consider some if not all the current shows not part of the Star Trek canon or just part of a different timeline.
This does take place after The Cage. I wouldn’t say it a retcon, but character “growth”.
A little bit of A and a little bit of B. There is enough in that show that changes how things go, and I am not talking pure updated visuals, that it doesn’t really seem to be in the same timeline as what we see later on. But I also choose to ignore ‘Spore Drive’ and other bits of random elements that DIS brought into play. While some of them might be fun on their own as a whole yeah, not feeling it and probably won’t be using it.
That said there is enough canon temporal shenangians in the series that having things be changed slightly between shows totally makes sense. We see that timeline stuff is flexibile enough that actions lead to similar futures minus one or two changes. So all this is backed by developments and stuff.
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When it comes to Strange New Worlds I am glad that some things got updated. Especially the personalities of female officers and crew. There is no need to keep to the way it was in TOS in that sense, for all that it was progressive for its time. So yeah, I really enjoyed everything about SNW, it was a fun first season and I super look forward to second and more.
I accept that they’re canon; I don’t accept that they’re the same timeline, because there are continuity issues aplenty, even within TOS/TAS alone. Not to mention each series alters timelines… the claim that there is one prime timeline is only viable if one accepts that it zigzags…
It’s worth noting that the Enterprise 1701 changes the TOS timeline 4 times (3 TOS, 1 TAS) that I recall. City on the Edge of Forever, Tomorrow is yesterday, Assignment: Earth, Yesteryear.
We don’t know what the bloke in the alley (City on the edge of Forever) who disintegrates himself would have amounted to after WW II… Probably not a lot.
Tomorrow is Yesterday… two significant factors… and they are pretty big… A USAF SSgt gets stunned, having seen people exit from a room without having gone through the security checkpoints. We don’t know how important. Captain Christopher getting remerged with himself? we don’t know if that does anything; we do know he’s important… and if his mind was altered even a bit by the encounter, then we have a deviation from him, too. Plus, in the extended Trek universe, that incident also resulted in the automatic transmission of the record files… and USAF Security Command having recorded the Tech Manual in 1960-something. Not to mention the not-filmed Bluebook interrogation…
We know that Gary Seven is specifically there to alter the timeline in Assignment: Earth.
Picard establishes that Wesley’s hopping both space and time…
Spock has to prep himself in Yesteryear.
TNG has multiple time travel episodes. DS9 has a couple. Enterpise has a bunch.
If we label the dozen+ time travel alterations… TOS/TAS are 5 timelines already, not counting minor fiddles like TAS: Counter-Clock Incident.
Original Trek timeline got broken during Season 1. That timeline gets warped again in S1, And that one in S2. And that one in TAS. And that one again in ST IV: TVH.
We’re up to 6 and haven’t gotten past the original crew…
That’s an explanation I accept, because I use the same arguments against those who say that all new Trek shows are part of a different timeline that everything else.
We have so many time travel episodes in which the timeline may have been changed that saying that something is not part of the TOS timeline does not work.
I disagree. Uhura was shown in some episodes of TOS that she also has technological knowledge and knows how to repair her work station. The Cage happened some years before season two of DIS and SNW takes place after DIS, so Spock in the transition from his emontional personiality seen in The Cage to is logical personiality seen in TOS. The bonding between Spock and T’Pring may still have happened in their childhood if you consider it a betrothal and not a marriage. That Chapel was changed was only logical because her TOS personality was out of date even then. And that they had changed the uniforms had to happen because the original TOS design had aged rather poorly.
Single nacelle starships had been shown on computer displays in soem of the movies and in some TNG episodes and thus are not usexpected.
Who evver said that USS Faragut was a Consitution-class starship? It was only assumed because we only saw ships of that class in TOS, but we never saw USS Faragut.
The new look of the Gorn is not so new, it premiered in ENT.
I see no problem with them updating some things for modern sensabilities that just DIDN’T AGE WELL (Chapal and women in general)
things like that you, realisticly need to ask “is this lore worth preserving? Does it build the world? Is it simply the result of old additudes?”