Don’t feed the trolls guys. Rapidly moving off topic.
‘No-ID-Politics’ find something Dune related to say or move on.
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I’m not so sure about that. The virtue-signalling keeps going on so there must be a market for that. People seem to feel compeled to create and buy fictional contents that are labeled as inclusive and diverse just for the sake of being inclusive and diverse. It’s a rather poor choice on the creative side, in my opinion, as I think there are many inclusive and diverse fictional universes that do not advertise themselves as that and, usually, it does work much better.
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I believe they would have. People didn’t use to be so picky about that stuff when it wasn’t imposed and labeled as “female empowerment” or whatever. As far as I remember nobody complained about Ripley and Sarah Connor being strong female action characters at the time.
While possibly true, the money these things are losing speaks for itself. I agree with you btw: I loved Sarah Conner and Ripley when they were heroes who happened to be women, rather then now where we have women who HAVE to be heroes, and the contrivances to make it so are glaringly apparent and awful to watch.
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Evidence on yr claims?
So to you, wanting no political goal in a game, and having no goal other then a good game itself…is having a political goal…sure…ok.
As far as the franchises and the like? Current Star Trek series viewing is in the toilet along with Dr. Who. Star Wars episode 9 was out performed by Joker. Solo LOST money. Comic shops have been closing at a rapid rate due to the comics that they sell from the major comic producers. Sorry, but I am correct. Check the stats yourself.
I am not a troll. I am posting concerns. I want the game to succeed. I hoping Dune will focus on Dune and the Dune universe, not the real world. I am asking that the game be about the game, not real life and it’s problems or perceived problems.
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Ok, we are way off topic.
This is a thread about an article announcing details of the RPG, and not whether or not ‘politics’ is losing money for franchises.
Feel free to discuss the article in this thread, but anything else is off topic. To be clear, the article mentions nothing about ‘identity politics’.
Modiphius supports diversity and inclusivity in all its games as far as I’m aware, that’s my last and only word on this, take what you like from it.
I’d rather not close the thread or take anything further, so choose your next posts carefully. Last warning.
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Can’t wait for the next reveal and hope to be a part of the playtest!
Muad’Dib willing!
I agree. Got space marked out on my bookshelf already. 
Unfortunately my 2 other dune fanatics have moved on but my group knows the setting and I have run Dune for them before.
Really looking forward to the books and all of the peripherals. It is going to be an expensive year… 
If there is going to be one new RPG I will get this year, it will be Dune. Can’t wait for playtesting too.
Sorry about that, but I have to disagree. Although the username chosen by this person does seem to indicate that he could be a troll, none of his posts (except maybe the first one) seem to be trolling. Also this thread is not really about the RPG, but about an article in Polygon about the RPG. And the article, although it is supposed to be a merely reveal on Dune RPG, turns out to be more of an opinion piece praising diversity on the new Dune movie cast and in the Dune RPG team of writers.
I have no problems with diversity, but, as I have mentioned on a previous post, I do oppose to praising inclusivity and diversity just for the sake of it. Anyway, No.Id.Politics might not be a troll at all, but just someone who read the Polygon article and was worried about the clear fascination the article’s author shows about “diversity” (just read the title, realy…) more than the Dune universe. He should have stated that - if that is his point at all - but still he isn’t that much off topic.
Ok guys, lets try to stay on topic. I’m not going to remove the posts that have wandered off as the poster is just expressing his opinion. Whether or not you agree with him is a moot point. Please stop reporting his posts.
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I think it’s only allegorical to Middle East politics on a very surface level. It’s about so much more, and I do worry that will be missed.
I think there is a lot more to it too, and plenty of other allegories that can be made. But the Middle East/Oil context is there, noting it was written in the 1960s. It’s akin to considering the allegory of Lord of the Rings to WW2 or possibly WW1, and it’s just another layer of the story which is good enough to be read on multiple levels.
The point is though that politics can infuse almost any story. You could analyze the politics found in nursery rhymes and still be entirely on target with them.
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Another thing to remember is that stories change according to the times. Nothing is cast in Amber, destined to remain absolute through the ages.
People reading it will view it through their own prism, which in turn is built up as they grow.
Dune has changed and evolved as it appears in different mediums and to different audiences. The ecological aspect is probably viewed in a totally different light now than it was when Herbert originally wrote it 55 years ago. In another 55 years maybe the Terraforming or Guild aspects will be seen differently.
What Modiphius, Villeneuve and Brian Herbert are all doing is just another step on a long path that keeps Dune focused in the present.
And that Dune has ascended to such a level is something that means it will never truly die.
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So you don’t want a setting that’s a big metaphor about an exploited region’s natural resources being harvested by imperial powers, causing the locals to turn to religious extremism so they can oust those powers to be political? Then I humbly suggest that you’re missing the damn point.
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Well, its not on topic, but it was really an off base complaint to be making in the first place. I mean, the original Star Trek, which was cited, went out of its way to make an inclusive set of characters and ideologies in the 60s, which apparently is lost on people these days. All sci-fi has political aspects if you look for them - and Dune is most definitely no exception.
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It’s still perfectly OK to want to have a game of MAKE BELIEVE that is free of current politics. I don’t know why that is so hard to understand for some people?! And that’s the gist of what that person was saying (at least as i understood them).
And i agree, i want this to be a game that takes Dune and only Dune as the source of its content. Because otherwise, why make it a Dune game? If you want to make a comment on current times (and the politics in it) than create an own universe where that is the focus. Don’t dilute an existing setting with your agenda.
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I think I can relate to that. Dune, as many other works of fiction, touches political and social issues and that is not a problem. The problem resides in the fact that whenever a work of fiction is adapted to another medium - is this case an RPG - the original content should be respected, unless it is meant to be a rereading of the original (and I don’t think that’s the case here). If there are political themes they should be addressed, but not reworked on the light of present time, the same way the story should not be reworked to appease current tastes. An adaptation is supposed to retain fidelity to the original and if it does not, then it should be advertised as a modern view.
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